Fiat Dual Carb installation
Weber/IDFs (13-15)
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Factory
Waffle Manifold
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Congratulations for making the trip. I'm glad you weren't discouraged by the introduction and are ready to go with the project. If you are reading this trying to decide whether or not to try tackling this project, don't fret. It's not as bad as it appears in print. Lets begin

Preparation:
Lets get everything out and ready for our project. There is always something else you will need, but if you have most of it sitting around early, it will save you time and frustration. Talking about frustration, I have always made it a habit to work on some sort of tarp. If you don't have a good concrete surface to park on, the next best thing is a tarp. Blue poly tarps are only a few dollars, and will save you at least five hours if you drop as many bolts, nuts etc. as I do. Also, you might want to spray some PB Blaster or other penetrating oil on the manifold nuts the day before you begin to help the process along. Those nuts are tough enough without fighting rust and corrosion also.

Document:
I'm sure I mentioned a digital camera. If you don't have a digital, buy one of those inexpensive box cameras and take pictures BEFORE each stage so you can trace those wires and hoses. Especially you guys out there with the 78-79 cars with the vacuum hoses running all over the place. Sure we won't need them anymore, but if you ever have to put it back on to sell the car or pass emissions, you will be glad you did. Somehow, I pulled a wire as I removed the manifold, and the car wouldn't start when I had it done. This picture showed me where the wire was and it was a simple job to re-connect it and varoom!

Lets Begin:
First, lets drain the radiator and block of antifreeze. You will need a bucket. Just open the drain and let it pour as you do the first couple of steps. Now is a good time to mention that this stuff is extremely toxic to toddlers and dogs. Don't leave the stuff where they can get to it or you might have serious kidney failure. You need to drain the block in cars with the external thermostat as the block won't drain. Usually there is a plug or spigot on the exhaust side in the middle just above the pan.

You start with a 10mm socket or wrench and remove the air cleaner, snorkel and the bolts covering the element. Then you remove the four bolts that hold the housing to the carb. Be careful not to drop the nuts down the carb throat. It doesn't make much difference now, but it's good practice for later! take off the cleaner and set it aside. Next you will take off the linkage and fuel line. You will loose some fuel here so it's a good time to look around for anyone smoking or open flames. Grab a 13mm wrench, the smaller the better and remove the carb nuts, and lift off the carb. The stock carb can be tricky to get the choke linkage off. You may have to remove a housing on the carb. Be sure to put it back on. The guy that buys it from you later on eBay will appreciate it. Did you take a picture yet?

Next come all those vacuum hoses and it's time to get those famous manifold nuts off. You will need 13mm deep swivel socket and a medium extension to get the front three nuts. depending on your arm length, you might be able to get some of the rear nut with this combo but you will certainly be encountering the starter and vacuum booster while you try to move the nut. I 've had better luck with a small 13mm manifold wrench. Now I see why they are bent like they are. They must have had Fiats in mind when they designed them. Usually they are really tight and it's tough to break them loose. Be careful and use box end wrenches and be aware of where your hand will go if you fall off the nut. You could get a nasty gash. There are a lot of sharp things in a very tight place.

If all goes well a couple of sharp blows with a wood block should break the seal and the manifold should begin to slide down the long manifold studs. You may run out of room on some cars removing the manifold. It just clears the brake booster on most of them. If you have a problem, you can raise the motor a bit with a floor jack against the pan and you should be able to just slide it off. The studs are angled down about 20 degrees and you will not be able to wiggle the manifold much. It just comes straight off. As you can see from the picture (you did take a picture didn't you?) that there is a lot of stuff under that old manifold that could use some attention. Get busy and clean up the mess and check everything. This is a great time to replace all of those gas lines and clamps. No telling how old they are.

A hand drill and a wire brush is a good idea here to get all of the old gasket material and adhesive off the head. This is also a good time to remove and clean the crankcase breather screen and replace the hoses.

Removing the throttle Pedal
If you have an early model car, you will need to remove the throttle pedal or grind off the old throttle linkage in place, as it will interfere with the new manifold. Leave the hand throttle lever (the one on top, as it is your new throttle cable lever. I bought a replacement from MIRA so I could keep the original one if I ever needed it again. Two bolts and you should be able to remove it. It helps to have an assistant on this part of the project.

After you are satisfied that everything is clean and refreshed, you are ready to install the new manifold. In the above picture, the throttle has been modified and replaced, the new gasket is hanging on the studs, and I've coated the studs with a liberal coat of anti-seize compound to try to make this job easier the next time. I did get in there and clean things up before I put on the new manifold.

Lets install the carbs on the manifold before you put them on the car. The engine side bolts are hard to get to and if you can put the manifold on with the carbs on it, you are ahead of the game. If not you will need a 13mm swivel 9pt 1/4" socket and extension to get the backside nuts on and tight. There is no other way! I drove all the way to Sears to buy one. Simply slide on the gasket and slip the manifold up the studs until you get to the head. On some 2L motors, you will have a conflict with a flange on the head that will require a little grinding to remove some metal from the manifold. A mirror is helpful to check out if the underside of the manifold is making good contact with the head and if there are any obstructions keeping you from getting it on tight. It will also help you to feel where those nuts are going to go.

On the emission equipped cars, there is an exhaust gas passage in the head that needs to be blocked. You will know if you have one when you remove the old manifold and find a particularly dirty hole in your manifold and a matching hole in the head. The stock manifold will cover this hole. You will need to trial fit your aftermarket manifold to see if there is a conflict. I've heard that you can tap and plug this hole or just plug it with JB Weld. I would use the plug method as it seems a bit more secure. If you are using the stock Fiat manifold, use the early model gasket as this will cover the hole. Also some owners plug the water passages in the stock manifold. You may do so if you want. There is little or no advantage to this, but some folks do.

Enough. Lets get that manifold on. Next come the lockwashers and nuts. This process is, as they say, "the reverse of the removal procedure" like yeah right! It's a lot harder getting the manifold on than pulling it off. Eventually you will get all the nuts on. Be sure to tighten them down in the proper sequence and a little at a time. Start on the inside and work on opposite ends progressively tightening. You don't need a torque wrench here. As tight as you can get them is probably ok. The back one is going to be the bad one of course, but you will get it tight after a few tries. Hang in there. Kick back a bit if you are having problems. This isn't you daily driver right?

It's now time to clean up some more an check out what needs to be hooked up and what needs to be discarded. Discard everything except the hose for the oil separator, the hose for the vacuum booster, and if you have a electronic ignition, the distributor hose. Be sure that there is a check valve in the brake booster line. The port is on the front side of the manifold. Connect it and you are done. The vapor bypass (you disassembled the cast cover and cleaned it out right?) hose should be led up to the back of the manifold and left for your air cleaner. The vacuum line for the distributor must be connected to none of the vacuum ports on the carbs. The VW 70 series of IDFs have a special vacuum port that is ideal for the distributor. The 13/15 carbs don't have an appropriate place to get the vacuum. You can disconnect the vacuum line from the distributor and just crank in about five additional degrees of advance to compensate for the lack of vacuum. While this will not be a perfect solution, it will get you by until you can locate a single point distributor which is more ideal for this setup.

Hook up your fuel lines. You can use a fuel return or not. I've found that the return line may drain the carbs making the car hard to start after a period of time, but your installation may not do that. Be absolutely sure to install a fuel filter inline with the pump. These carbs are extremely sensitive to dirt in the idle circuits. Use good quality fuel line and clamps and make your connections neat and straight. A lot of people will be checking out your installation. Kris is smiling here, but there his still a lot of work to be done. The lines need to be run and the linkage installed before we can drive off into the sunset.

OK it's time to check your work and make sure that any vacuum ports are plugged and all the fuel lines are correct and tight. You can't check this too many times.

It's time to refill the radiator and get ready to start the car. Have faith. It will run. If not, remember you have all those pictures. Right? On most spiders, you have to jack the front of the car up about three feet to get the radiator high enough to purge the air from the system. Once the car is full of antifreeze, you can do some initial settings of the carbs so the car will run when you try.

Before you try to start the car, GENTLY close all of the small screws at the base (mounting flange) of the carbs. You will notice that they are in pairs. one left and right for each of the four barrels. Open the right one (the one with the spring) about 3/4 turn. Take the idle screw between the carbs and back it out until it just contacts the throttle lever. Then turn it in about a turn and a half. This should get you started. If you have an electric fuel pump, now is the time to closely check for leaks in the lines and around the carbs. A sticking float here can cause a disaster if you are indoors. I like to have a little WD-40 on hand to start the engine. Just spray it into the carbs while it is cranking. The engine should start and run rough. Keep it up until the floats fill with fuel. It's easier on the car than starting fluid, and is less dangerous if you get a backfire.Spray some WD into the carbs as you have someone crank the motor. After a while, it should catch and fire up. Quickly set the idle adjustment so the engine will idle and then go to the next section of installing the throttle linkage and tuning the IDFs.

Check for gas or water leaks. If you have any, you know what to do. Even if you don't want to. Take pictures!!! Let the engine run for at least two fan cycles adding water as necessary to top off the radiator. Put on the cap and lower the car back down to the ground. You can now adjust those screws with the springs for a smoother idle. Use your ear for now. Go for the fastest setting and move the idle back down and go on to the next screw. If you have one cylinder that doesn't respond, find out why.

You are done. Pat yourself on the back and kick back and admire your handiwork. There!!! isn't that nice? Now put all of that stuff away, you've got to go to work in the morning.

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