Fiat Dual Carb installation
Weber/IDFs (13-15)
on
Factory
Waffle Manifold

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 Factory Linkage Diagram

As this looked a little complicated and would suffer the same problems as the stock manifold. The way the stock linkage is connected on both the dual and single carb configurations is that the pivot point of the carb, the engine and the firewall mount are all on the same axis. What this means is that as the engine rocks left and right under acceleration or torque, it changes the throttle position. That's why it is so hard to shift smoothly between 1st and 2nd gear in these cars, or have you ever experienced the "rocking" effect that happens when you try to move slowly in 1st. This self sustaining throttle modulation is the reason that Fiat went to a cable throttle sometime around 75. I constructed the cable linkage below.  

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 HD Cable Modification

<--- Carb End cable mount using stock bracket

Simple substitute linkage for using Weber IDFs on a waffle top manifold. The cable is a Harley Davidson motorcycle throttle cable commonly available from a chopper shop or dealer for only a couple of dollars. Usually it includes the end nuts and cable stop. Be sure to click on the pictures for better detail and notes.

Center Cable Pull
Cable as it goes to the center throttle ball between the two carbs. --->

Save the bracket for your mechanical linkage that you removed. It can be used as the carb. end support for your cable. Simply mount it as shown on it's original mounting pad on the driver's side cam box. Just turn it 90 degrees as shown in the picture at left. Loop the short cable down and between the carbs Fashion an "L" bracket about 2" from the firewall and run the cable through it and let the cable cover rest on the bracket. As you pull the cable the carbs should open.

Pass the cable through the hand throttle bracket that sticks up from the throttle pivot point. This just happens to be the perfect length to open the carbs. Check your clearances. I had to slightly bend the lever toward the cam box to get it to align correctly. You will want to have someone in the car to push the pedal all the way down as you look down the carbs to see if the butterflies are opening correctly.                                                     Firewall Detail --->

You want to be doubly sure that there are no possibilities that something could interfere with correct throttle openings and closings. BTW, I would not trust the return spring on the IDFs. I mounted, and suggest that you do to, a second spring from the master cylinder over to the throttle lever to ensure closure in case of something unforeseen happening. I also check my installation each year for fraying wire or loose brackets. So far everything has been fine, but it's good to know that there are no worries in this area.

Update notes

The Cable:
The shortest "chopper" right angle cable is plenty long, but you may want to pick up a kit as they have the outer cable end fitting with it's stop and a brass or steel cable clamp for the other end. I think these go for about $10 or less at a dirty chopper shop Fog Hollow has a whole wall of new and used ones here for even less. I believe they are on the net.

The pedal:
The old throttle fitting arm must be bent out of the way. Some cars will have to have the arm hacksawed off. I've done it both ways. On my 73, I was able to save the arm and bend it in a way that it hit the manifold and worked like a "stop" on the 71 I didn't get away so lucky.

Carb Cable End:
Just a simple loop in the cable tight around the ball with a metal sleeve is adequate to keep it from sliding over the ball. Make it tight and it will last forever. Mine is 20 years old and still going strong.

Modifications to the firewall:
I have since devised a better stop for the outer cable at the firewall end. Simply bend a piece of 1" aluminum strap into a square U shape with a flange at both ends for screws. Looking in the picture on the right above this update note the U bracket would mount on the firewall to the right of the shiney cable stop and would surround the throttle pedal lever catching if from falling too far to the left.

Make the U shape just long enough to get from the firewall to where the hand throttle will rest when the pedal is resting. Funny thing is the throw on the lever is perfect for the IDF linkage with no modification. The time to make and install this bracket is before you install the manifold. It can be done after but you will probably want to remove the rear carb to get enough access. Presently I have my L bracket mounted to the rearmost cam box bolt. Works ok and is easy. I think the U bracket is better.

Drill a hole in the bottom of the U for the cable to pass through. The hole must be small enough for the inner cable to pass through but too small for the outer casing. This gets fastened to the firewall right over the hand throttle lever. It will function as a pedal stop and you don't have to fool with rigging something off of the carb bolts. Those are tough enough already. I did this to another spider and it works great. The next time I work with Red's cable, I'm going to upgrade it.

The nice thing about this install is that it is so clean and pretty much hidden by the aircleaners. The cable is plenty strong for this application but I do recommend that you BE SURE THE INSTALLED SYSTEM WORKS FREELY AND YOU APPLY AN ADDITIONAL SPRING TO ENSURE THE THROTTLE CLOSES. Mine works ok without it, but for a little more piece of mind and a little heavier throttle feel, I added a small spring from the boss on the bottom of the manifold to the throttle ball on the carbs.

BTW, the bracket that I used on the intake cam cover for the carb cable end is just the old bracket from the original throttle linkage.    

Finished installation with factory turtleback aircleaner covering up all of the clever work
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With after market air cleaners --->

The cable runs forward then loops around between the intake cam and the carbs and comes back to the fast idle lever on the throttle lever. You can create a cable stop from the cam housing, the carb base (hard to get to) or fabricate a bracket. The bright bolt is the cable stop. You will have to fabricate a cable stop near the firewall to use the stock floor pedal. You will also have to remove the stock carb linkage arm on the engine side of the throttle lever as it interferers with the intake manifold.The cable came with the rubber bushing. I highly recommend an extra throttle return spring just in case. Fabrication and installation time was about three hours after the original manifold and carb was removed.

Air Cleaner elements for the turtleback have been getting hard to find lately, but thanks to Tom Nicotera, we have some substitutes. These units are round but are the correct height and length and only need to be ovaled slightly to fit into the case.

Purolater: A50991 - Fram: CA340A - WIX: 42113
K&N: E1580 - Amsoil: TS20 - STP: SA340A

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